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Post by Kali Durga » Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:18 am

^^ Thank you for that. Got comparable info on the whole reimbursement to the artists part?
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Post by rsimms3 » Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:25 am

Kali Durga wrote:^^ Thank you for that. Got comparable info on the whole reimbursement to the artists part?
I don't, I'm more of a tech nerd than royalties specialist. Sorry.
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Post by Alabama Woody » Wed Apr 01, 2015 3:17 am

Will be interesting to see how Apple reacts to all of this !
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Post by Grimtale » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:37 am

Three years from now we'll be talking about "remember that Tidal thing..."
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Post by Kali Durga » Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:41 am

Grimtale wrote:Three years from now we'll be talking about "remember that Tidal thing..."
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As long as we're not saying that about Third Man in three years, I'm fine.
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Post by Getbacktogether » Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:31 pm

I thought this is what jack white has been against from the get go. Tangible and real experiences and blah blah blah. Your turn tables not dead right? IDK about this guys. Kinda lost some respect for JW considering what he has been preaching for years. Now people that wanna listen to Jay-Z and Kayne West get exclusive content that me a vault subscriber and a fan that buys every album doesn't get. That is very WEAK. $

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Post by dylnfan » Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:10 pm

Freaking Kanye...

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dylnfan wrote:Freaking Kanye...

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Post by Kali Durga » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:43 pm

"And the message is clear: if we want Jack White as our hero, he will entertain, but not pander. We have to accept all his flaws, whims, caprices and manias as a critical, sometimes uncomfortable, part of the contract."

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Post by Alabama Woody » Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:05 pm

Seems Tidal is taking a hit from the media.
I think they should have planned better for the Debut/ Roll Out.
More facts. Less Grand Standing.
Oh well PONO got terrible reviews as well at first. Mostly due to uneducated reviews of the product.
Maybe the public is fine with low grade mp3's and compressed music.
I was hoping for a tidal wave of change.
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Post by dylnfan » Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:19 am

Alabama Woody wrote:Seems Tidal is taking a hit from the media.
I think they should have planned better for the Debut/ Roll Out.
More facts. Less Grand Standing.
Oh well PONO got terrible reviews as well at first. Mostly due to uneducated reviews of the product.
Maybe the public is fine with low grade mp3's and compressed music.
I was hoping for a tidal wave of change.
Funny thing is, this service has been around for a while. I've been a subscriber for at least the past three or four months. Streaming quality is far better than Spotify, and I gave up on buying CDs a long time ago...this is much more cost effective. Of course, it didn't put a dent in my vinyl buying habit! LOL!
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Post by Alabama Woody » Thu Apr 02, 2015 2:39 am

dylnfan wrote:
Alabama Woody wrote:Seems Tidal is taking a hit from the media.
I think they should have planned better for the Debut/ Roll Out.
More facts. Less Grand Standing.
Oh well PONO got terrible reviews as well at first. Mostly due to uneducated reviews of the product.
Maybe the public is fine with low grade mp3's and compressed music.
I was hoping for a tidal wave of change.
Funny thing is, this service has been around for a while. I've been a subscriber for at least the past three or four months. Streaming quality is far better than Spotify, and I gave up on buying CDs a long time ago...this is much more cost effective. Of course, it didn't put a dent in my vinyl buying habit! LOL!
I can see where all the music you want, add free for $20 a month in high resolution (CD Quality) would be tempting.
I've got to figure out what I want. Of course I want records preferably with rips that are CD quality.
But I have a bunch of recurring bills already. I do Amazon prime, I do Netflix, but I do a big package with DirecTV as well. I buy CD's and albums, listen to them on devices or hard drives in the house and car.
I still got my cable internet, cell phone bills. Never mind the important shit like water and electricity and a roof over our heads.
I'm saying I have to figure out how I'm going to get my entertainment fix and who I'm going to pay and use. I can't sign up for everything. I pay for my son to have Sirius/XM radio in his car.
My wife uses her iPod in the car. I use my iPhone and PONO.
So many choices now. If Tidal does give CD Quality sound then maybe that's the easiest route to go. I'm just stuck in the buy and rip mode. I got a real back up in the tangible item and I have it in a mobile friendly form as well.
I've been ripping my CD's for years now in lossless. I tell my wife's iPod to convert down to 256k so she can load it up but the files are on iTunes in CD Quality and better. I just realized that iTunes will do hi Rez audio. I just stumbled on it when I converted a paid for Hi Rez FLAC file to ALAC. It's got the whole file in 24/196

Anyhow should I be fussing with all this or just pay $20 and be happy. You don't have to dust streaming music. Not the case with CD/album storage !
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Post by HonestJohn » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:46 am

I don't use any streaming services, and nothing in the Tidal announcement makes me interested in starting. I really don't see the value to a consumer. And at the end of the day, that's what is going to make or break it. Not warm feelings about what's fair for artists. It's good that artists will get a larger percentage of the royalties, but for twice the price of similar services? It starts to sound like a charity and not a business.

People have so many options these days, you have to give them something more. I read another article that spoke of an economic study that said $6/month for a streaming company would maximize profits. Less money per customer, but many more customers, so more total revenue. If Tidal really wants to disrupt the market, try that. And are all those artists on stage removing themselves from Spotify and other services? At least Taylor Swift puts her money where her mouth is.

From a PR standpoint, it would've been a good idea to put some no-name and mid-level musicians up there as well to make the point that this was a stand for all musicians, not just a bunch of multi-millionaires at the top of the game. As it was, it came across to me as an awkward photo op designed to get internet buzz and media interest. One cynic wrote that it could be a Jay Z pump-and-dump a la his brief partial ownership of the Brooklyn Nets. I hope not.

If I'm reading between the lines correctly from the Vault updates, I'm guessing that TMR will make a token contribution to the exclusive Tidal content, but the best stuff will continue to be released in the Vault.

On the positive side, maybe the "Ray Bans" track will finally see the light of day on Tidal.

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Post by Aquamarine » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:52 am

grumblestiltskin wrote:Surprised by how contentious this is. Its just spotify, but with the noble goal of fair pay for artists. If you don't want to pay for a streaming service, you don't need to. It isn't going to undermine the vault (which, I might add, has just been getting better and better...I wince to think of the old modlife days...). Fine, it has one white stripes video you can't see anywhere else. But its nothing special, and yesterday morning, you didn't even care about it.

Just FYI, I've been making use of the free trial all afternoon, and it does what its supposed to do. No idea about the whole hi fidelity thing because I don't have nice enough speakers, and if I carry on I'll be cheap, no HiFi tier...which costs the same as other streaming services.

Long story short: I see no reason to make any complaints.
Me either. Trying it out, liking it, no animals have been harmed in the streaming of this service, some needy artists may actually benefit, the non-needy on that stage may have therefore done a good thing. Or not. And if not, the world won't end.

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Post by nestacat » Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:45 am

This is a new interview from today addressing the 'backlash,' although really to my ear it is mostly just more vagaries and platitudes. I dunno... I don't use streaming services, personally.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/busin ... a-schlogel

And, I don't really mind at all about TMR's catalog being available to stream. I truly hope a billion more people listen to the tunes, really. I am just so not on board with the exclusive content issue, and neither Jack's vault chat nor Cam's message did much to alleviate my concerns, honestly. It is pretty clear that exclusive offerings by the artist co-owners/shareholders is the key to the success of this.
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