stoutr wrote:I am in a quandry. I want to sell a "Blood Card" Upholsterers single I got in a trade with a member of this board and I think (know) it is fake. I asked about it right when I got it and was assured it was not forged. I know how pissy this group can get with a scammer, so of course I need to get this figured out. I have determined this is a FAKE yellow card for a few reasons.
1 - I have seen 30+ auctions on popsike with a thicker solid red [finger nail polish] marking from the end of the nail to underneath Jacks name. I own two others that are consistant with that observation and Ben Blackwell backs this up.
2 - The yellow is lighter and the paper is thinner.
3 - The black mark was on non-blood cards and on my non blood card, this black is like actual ink on top of the yellow, on the forged one it appears to be a photocopy.
4 - The card is not exactly the same size as my other three yellow cards that ARE exactly the same size.
1. I found 14 auctions for blood upholsterers and 6 of them have the thick blood covering the phone number and 8 appear not to, tough to tell really though, the pictures are so small.
2. That's interesting.
3. Also interesting, can you see the ink through to the back of the card?
4. Also interesting.
My take (as it's always been) is that it's inconclusive and here's why:
No blood cards have EVER had the same number
No one knows the truth behind how they were made, someone needs to ask Jack would be my opinion
Ben isn't an expert on the blood cards, he wasn't around when they were made.. I'd say Ben is an expert on just about everything but for blood cards I'll say he's not for good reason. (I think he'd say my reasoning is sound..)
Different paper and sizes is the biggest thing in support that they're fake. I'd always thought that if someone were to fake them they'd just take non blood ones and bloody them up. who knows though, maybe Jack ran out of cards when doing them? As far as I know he did them all up on his own with no one around so he's the only one that knows the truth. (plus whoever faked them, if in fact fakes exist)
If someone were to fake them, why would the change them up so significantly? I 100% confident that I could produce a fake that no one would be able to tell is fake.
Conclusion:
If you're not happy with a trade perhaps try to trade back? If the other party believes it's not a fake I'm sure they'll take it back. or you could put it on ebay like the other 8 on popsike that seem to be similar and have sold for upwards of $700